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Author:  anna k [ Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:40 pm ]
Post subject:  installing on existing Linux distro problem

Hi,
Just went to impress my boss by "simply" installing Uber on a machine with Mint already on it.
TRASHED EVERYTHING!
Worse, the install has problems with basic update.


QUESTION 1: Does the install ISO trash an existing system if it is also a linux distro?
The Laptop had Mint on it. ( A fully setup well-working install)
I have simply installed Linux distros before on machines that always had Windows. Easy.

QUESTION 2: Is the original fully setup Mint install irretrievably lost?

QUESTION 3: What happened to VBox here? I downloaded and checked an ISO, made a disk and simply hit the install option on the very sparse screen.

BUT - I still hope that both can be loaded (AND others) into VBox as I've SIMPLY done before on Windows Systems with Uber auto install!

Hoping that I missed something on the install side ( I was taught to ignore the warning of everything being overwritten by the install on a Windows system, so I assumed........ :-{

Author:  Stephen Ewen [ Wed Feb 05, 2014 6:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

UberStudent will install side-by-side with Mint, if that is what you wish. It will detect Mint and and ask if you want to intall UberStudent side-by-side with it. Simply choose that option.

The very best way to run UberStudent in VBox is to download one of the OVA files. Just follow the directions in the README there to load it in to VBox.

Author:  anna k [ Wed Feb 05, 2014 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Hello Stephen,
Thank you for the quick reply. I didn't know that you did all this work on your own. :o

But as I posted, that was exactly what I did.

Does VBox have to be installed separately first and then the install of Uberstudent or whatever, called or pointed to from there?
I thought I did do a "default" installation from the Live disc with VBox automatically. :(

Author:  Stephen Ewen [ Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

I'm not clear about the result? What happened when you tried to install?

Author:  anna k [ Thu Feb 06, 2014 12:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Stephen Ewen wrote:
I'm not clear about the result? What happened when you tried to install?

Hi Stephen,
The Uberstudent install disk deleted everything on the Hard Drive.
Did not install to VBox.
Did not install Vbox.

Downloaded an enormous number of updates, but failed install the special codecs and experienced a large number of general failures.
I re-installed and the result seemed exactly the same as above.

Do I have to manually pre-install VBox before installing Uberstudent?

Thank you again.

Author:  Stephen Ewen [ Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:14 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Follow the installation directions very carefully, including to MD5 check the disk.

Author:  anna k [ Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Stephen Ewen wrote:
Follow the installation directions very carefully, including to MD5 check the disk.

Hi Stephen,
Yes, did all that once again. Same result.

But, you didn't answer the key question I asked - the info on the Site is a little ambiguous and I'm still not sure if I MUST have VBox installed on the System first, before attempting the VBox based OVA Uberstudent installation, or is it inbuilt?

I don't want a side by side install, I think. Not sure of the differences/benefits, but your original install scripting makes the whole Linux transition so much easier for non-tech people and offers a simple control system to even try other front ends via the safety of VBox - or if forced to - to re-install Windows out of the way....

Unfortunately, the manual VBox install procedure to use a "run" file as directed from VBox Support is "Chinese" for a non-Terminal person, instead of the simple exe file in Windows.

I'm still hoping that this ongoing exercise is due somehow to my needing to install into an existing Linux distro and not Windows.
BTW: This is being typed on the latest clean install onto this machine (with no VBox yet)

Author:  Stephen Ewen [ Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Yes, you have to have VBox installed to import a virtual appliance in to VBox.

Author:  anna k [ Sat Feb 08, 2014 6:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

Stephen Ewen wrote:
Yes, you have to have VBox installed to import a virtual appliance in to VBox.

Thanks again. Was hoping it wasn't the case - it is quite difficult to get VBox onto a Linux OS System unless one is already familiar with how to handle VBox's ONLY install method for Linux. Am off to study it shortly.

Quite a few of the people on my lists are actually using/experimenting with Linux as a main OS. The most common one is Mint after Ubuntu (a real beast for "changelings" as Jack calls us) :-)

I think it should be possible to create a simple directly installable VBox program under Linux and then a way to make Uberstudent the principal boot OS to replace Ubuntu or Mint or whatever.

Thanks again,

Author:  Stephen Ewen [ Sat Feb 08, 2014 9:44 am ]
Post subject:  Re: installing on existing Linux distro problem

It is very simple, basic, to install VBox.

If you are using Windows, just download VBox for Windows, click the .exe file, and let it install. Done. Then import the appliance per the directions.

In UberStudent or any other Debian-based system:

1. From the Applications menu go to System > System > Synaptic Package Manager

2. In the search box type in virtualbox

3. Highlight virtualbox-4.3 so that the box is checked

4. Click Apply.

5. Input your password and let VBox install.

6. Exit Synaptic Package Manager

7. Done.

8. Then import the appliance per the same directions.

I still have no idea what you mean by making "Uberstudent the principal boot OS to replace Ubuntu or Mint or whatever" in VBox. That's just not how VBox works. VBox is designed to install any number of systems in to it without replacing anything (I myself have about 30 different systems installed in to VBox). If you want to get rid of an installed system in VBox, just right click over it in the manager and delete it, just like you would a file on your computer.

If you are trying to install UberStudent to a harddrive on your system, you replace a system already installed on the harddrive by simply installing the new system over top the system you want to replace, in to the same harddrive section.

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